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# kubernetess
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Troy Knapp
08/08/2023, 5:50 PMit sounds great... but its not passing tests... š¢
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Mike Shade
08/08/2023, 9:19 PMLooks cool. As for tests, the latest release tag did pass. Seems something in main/dev is not passing. https://github.com/nolar/kopf/actions/runs/5698265627
Mike Shade
08/08/2023, 9:21 PMOr.. a flaky time-based test.
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Troy Knapp
08/08/2023, 10:03 PMyeah, its just the unit test for python 3.7 that's failing
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Jake Utley
08/08/2023, 10:36 PMYeah I donāt think that current status is indicative of a general quality issue.
My bigger concern is that the project seems to be primarily built by a single developer which generally has sustainability issues.
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Abby Bangser
08/09/2023, 8:32 AMThanks for sharing Jake! I am actually super interested by this as I am currently writing a controller based on Kubebuilder. Did you ever use that to scaffold golang?
Also curious what you mean by using Crossplane to build your controllers/operators š¤ do you mean creating your own provider using their framework?
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Jake Utley
08/09/2023, 10:05 PMRegarding Crossplane, I just mean using their ācompositionā mechanism, which I see as a controller framework. You could get effective use out of Crossplane without using compositions and creating your own CRDs/controllers which manage resources installed by the Crossplane providers.
Jake Utley
08/09/2023, 10:07 PMThe only kubebuilder stuff I have done is via the operator-sdk. I realize kubebuilder works for a lot of people. For me personally, I am not a huge fan. Iāve struggled to get proper tool chain installed to make it all work, and I find code generation to be really hard to maintain. I find the approach of using decorators in Python or macros in Rust to be much more appealing, because it is all handled from within the mechanisms of the language.
Jake Utley
08/09/2023, 10:08 PMBut it seems like the right approach for Golang! And Iām glad the Golang users have a fairly standard approach to rally around. Iām just not a Golang guy, except for when I have to be.
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Abby Bangser
08/10/2023, 8:37 PMYeah I get you both on Golang and kubebuilder. I think those are very fair concerns.
It is interesting how you described using compositions as a stand in for a more complex controller/operator option.
I thought about that a bit more and I think I get what you mean if it's around using a composition to drive a pre-packaged provider in an allowable way. But my (limited) experience with compositions is that they are yaml wranglers, and often what I'm doing with my controllers and operators is more business logic and workflows. Is that what you meant?
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Jake Utley
08/10/2023, 9:40 PMYeah, the capabilities of compositions do come down to yaml wrangling, but a lot of our controllers do as well. We often just want to capture an abstraction of a commonly used pattern or apply some subtle adjustments to existing use cases. So much more of a ācontrollerā than an āoperatorā, if we want to make the distinction.
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Abby Bangser
08/11/2023, 10:23 AMDefinitely my experience as well. Often controllers / operators are pretty minimal logic but take a lot of upkeep.
Abby Bangser
08/11/2023, 10:25 AMThank you so much for sharing your journey. It really helped me realise that the path I am on makes a lot of sense for an even more diverse (and often much simpler) use case.
The way Kratix uses āWorkflowsā to run an ordered set of containers is really powerful as a low cost controller/operatator as well. I look forward to continuing to explore examples!
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Jake Utley
08/17/2023, 10:56 PMA coworker told me about shell-operator, which allows you to write a bunch of hooks in whatever language you like, have them subscribe to combinations of events (which can get pretty specific thanks to jq filters), and perform kubernetes changes on your behalf based configuration your hooks write to temporary files.
I havenāt used it much yet, but it actually looks like the most promising option for my team so far.
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