I sometimes find it difficult to explain the difference between cloud and cloud native for folks coming from the old guard. Kubernetes co-creators Craig McLuckie and Joe Beda go straight to the point in and break down the distinction between cloud and cloud native. You might find it useful as well.

man there is so much in this sort video that I disagree strongly with. I dont even want to think about unpacking that. he starts with defining "cloud" with "anyone who happens to manage your hardware for you OR any vague handwavy management layer on top of your own hardware" and goes on from there. sigh. 🔥

I understood it as him saying that it's a service that provides a level of management whether they are managing hardware or other things ..... it's a way to outsource the management and running of systems... I'd be interested in knowing what you think is a better way to describe it perhaps @keen?

"cloud" is api driven infrastructure, period. api driven services on top of api driven infra is just services on top of cloud. extending it to "management" without constraining it to API is massively overbroad (and means that 1and1, godaddy, and your mom and pop datacenter around the corner are all cloud providers too.). "the cloud" on the other hand is different. as viewed by people outside of the industry. that's basically "the internet". but that's not what he's pretending to talk about.

nice thanks for that explanation @keen 🙂