Hi All, is there any alternate open source tool to...
# general
m
Hi All, is there any alternate open source tool to backstage? Installing and configuring backstage is not at all straight forward.
c
Backstage bills itself as a "framework" for building developer portals. And, that framework is super powerful, but means that there is a heavy lift to get started with the project. For instance, right now there is a heavy dependency on being proficient in Typescript (not a skillset that is typically found among platform engineers), but that is slowly changing. We agree that the lift is too heavy for most, so we built Flightdeck: 100% open source Backstage without the hassle. Can have a newly provisioned portal with everything you might need in less than 10 min. https://arctir.com/flightdeck
m
Thank you @Craig Tracey
It will be interesting to explore this 🙂
c
Always happy to chat portals and/or developer experience!
There are some other (much) smaller OSS portals out there, but Backstage really has the critical mass in terms of funcionality/integrations.
m
awesome 🙂 happy to chat and learn more about portals and orchestrators.
c
There is a lot of work happening in Backstage to move from being a framework to being more plug-and-play. https://backstage.io/docs/frontend-system/
But, even though these changes will be great for end users, there will still be a decent lift for end users...just wont need to really write as much Typescript any more.
m
That will be awesome 🙂
do you thing, it's worth learning and getting hands on to TS to be able to build custom plugins?
c
I mean...I think its worth learning 🙂 and, writing plugins is not really too difficult.
I would learn the new frontend system for any frontend plugin development.
m
Thank you 🙏
Arctir is open source?
c
Our Portal deployment is straight from upstream Backstage. Anything we change, we bring to the community. The control plane for managing the Portals is not open source, although we are considering moving that into the open as well.
s
Haven’t you got Red Hat Develoler Hub @Manish Kumar? Who needs Backstage :P We’ve got a few good articles and webinars in the community on some of the issues around Backstage. Connecting to what Craig shared. Backstage is definitely not plug and play.. and yet keeps getting implemented or budgeted for as if it is. No surprise“backstage backlash” is the key phrase of the month https://platformengineering.org/blog/backstage-implementations-for-more-than-100k-developers
m
Yes, I’m playing around rhdh
p
Isn’t RHDH based on backstage?
m
Yes it is, but installation has been simplified using an operator
p
Right on. Very similar to what we’ve done.
Also Arctir with Craig.
Either way I’ve got a lot of friends at RH, spent almost a decade there, if you want to bounce ideas off us we are happy to chat. Agree that out of the box the upstream is a beast to configure and operate
m
Sure, what kind of or which platform orchestrator you’re using?
c
We have a custom control plane built on top of Kubernetes. Various API surfaces that direct a controller to build portals and all of the adjacent infrastructure required.