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MxixM Liu
03/09/2023, 8:59 AMlooks quite interesting, I'll follow up and give it a try
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Xu Pengfei
03/09/2023, 9:13 AMThey seem to use KCL as a self-service platform engineering programming language: https://github.com/KusionStack/KCLVM
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Hugo Pinheiro
03/09/2023, 12:18 PMSo I got a question for you Dayuan, is this not a competing spec with OAM which technically is sponsored by Alibaba?, It does seem nicer than OAM though 😊,
that was a great blog post I have had my eye on kusion I think since day two it was released hopefully it picks up interest I think it's overall architectural design is pretty smart.
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Xu Pengfei
03/09/2023, 1:21 PMhttps://github.com/KusionStack/kusion/issues/204 https://github.com/KusionStack/konfig/pull/88 Maybe Kusion and OAM are not in conflict. They can integrate with each other. 👀
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Hugo Pinheiro
03/09/2023, 1:22 PMOhh interesting good catch
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Josh Gavant
03/09/2023, 1:30 PMThanks for sharing, very cool. @Dayuan Li would you say this is conceptually comparable to the Scaffolder (template rendering system) in Backstage?
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Dayuan Li
03/09/2023, 1:32 PM😆We have a good relationship with KubeVela and have a cooperation issue (https://github.com/kubevela/kubevela/issues/5219) Work-in-Progress. We will release a demo about how Kusion works together with KubeVela recently.
Dayuan Li
03/09/2023, 1:52 PM@Josh Gavant We use DSL to describe our AppConfigs and operation intentions. All the configs are stored in a monorepo, acting as a centralized platform for multi-team collaboration.
Programming languages have the characteristics of abstraction, reuse, and easy verification. They can be regarded as a standardized communication language for engineers
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Odys Liu
03/15/2023, 8:48 AMSome quick comment. It is pretty typical Chinese style to consolidate a huge answer for a huge question. But in English world, it is more welcome for a smaller answer to a smaller question. I think AntGroup already have very rich experience on Platform Engineering. It maybe better to split this huge article to a few one later on, so ppl can really understand and comment on. Like:
1. KCL vs YAML vs HCL related
2. dev and platform engineer responsibility practices in AntGroup
3. One day in AntGroup with and without Kusion platform
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Odys Liu
03/15/2023, 8:50 AMPersonally I love this kind of huge overview. It gives clear evolvement path why we did that and the whole picture. 👍
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