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# platform-cultures
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Hugo Pinheiro
04/18/2023, 2:03 PMNot sure if it gets that specific but Adobe,intuit and ING have some videos about their platforms and how some of their teams are organized
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Jon Skarpeteig
05/04/2023, 10:52 AMWe are attempting to go in the other direction. To engage with "reference customers" (representative teams from the overall organization) in order to improve the overall product offering (internal developer platform et al), and how to best make use of it. Main reason is that the promise of platform engineering is challenging to achieve without a fair amount of standardization (to reap economics of scale). Also mindful of the 80/20 rule, attempting to channel central efforts towards the 80% as much as possible
Jon Skarpeteig
05/04/2023, 10:53 AMThe "local platform engineering" reads more like an SRE approach?
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Oakley Hall
05/04/2023, 2:53 PMThe primary use case for local platform teams in our org has been migrations. In order to replatform workloads, you really have to have a pretty intimate understanding of the software being migrated, the new platform and the old platform. It's a full-time job, particularly if you're trying to perform the migration in such a way that development can continue on the target software during the migration. A platform team drawn from engineers that have worked on target applications can excel at this.
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Cruise Hall
05/05/2023, 1:37 AM@Oakley Hall check out Adam Schaefer’s talk about “the 3rd economy” (of scope) - it sounds like you’re putting your finger on the need for the “connective tissue”.
Specifically Schaefer introduces a really useful concept of “recommoning”
https://digital.gov/event/2020/08/04/continuous-devops-dilemma-with-andrew-clay/
^^ not a fully baked framework you can just plug and chug, but i think his way of framing this problem might resonate with you.
Cruise Hall
05/05/2023, 1:42 AM^^ concretely I think this mental model might help clarify and frame where a team fits in the stack, and (consequently) what outcomes that team should be optimizing for.
Also wardley mapping would be helpful when it comes time to “land the plane” and decide where one team will end and other teams will begin https://learnwardleymapping.com/
In summary, when I read your above description I think the “global” platform teams should be optimizing for scale and providing whatever interfaces the N “local” platform teams need to maximize the scope of “stream aligned” teams that can leverage those economies of scale.
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Oakley Hall
05/05/2023, 12:13 PMThis is great stuff. Thank you @Cruise Hall
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