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# generals
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Sean Wang
10/17/2022, 6:36 AMThere are business metrics you can use to drive the leadership alignment. DORA is a good way, for kubernetes, you can use cost and utilization, which is even more straightforward.
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Sridhar
10/17/2022, 1:06 PMYes, we used DORA metrics but realized that platform is just one of the contributors to those metrics. For instance we can have a smooth CICD pipeline to build/deploy and kubernetes platform for run time but if the team is delayed to due to bad requirements or quality they end up impacting DORA metrics. Also, DORA are lagging metrics which can be measured after the fact, right? I have seen leaders struggling to justify the platform investments in order to secure funding. I was curious to know what approaches helped in that case.
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Sean Wang
10/17/2022, 1:10 PMFor your case, deployment failure rate could be one part of it. And you will need to divide this metrics into different reasons, and use that reason metrics for improvement.
Sean Wang
10/17/2022, 1:11 PMOnce you have a predictable deployment frequency, you will also need to setup a deployment schedule, so new requirement will also go along with the deployment window.
Sean Wang
10/17/2022, 1:12 PMThis will need to work along with product management team or the agile people
Sean Wang
10/17/2022, 1:28 PMPlatform engineering need to be defined as a product to incorporate business requirements and connect people together. Use collective voice to justify, metrics is a result of driving the org improvement
Sean Wang
10/17/2022, 2:29 PMDORA is not a lagging metrics, it is a result metric and North Star to guide the direction, but not the only ones. For each organization, try to find the metrics already has a consensus in your organization, use that to drive.
Sean Wang
10/17/2022, 2:33 PMFor example, the deployment frequency called “version release time” here in Tencent, because one version can be released multiple times.
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