Hello great talk What other metrics besides DO

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Hello < Ralf Huuck> great talk What other metrics besides DORA would you recommend focusing on And how to measure I found also these different kinds of velocities interesting Would love to learn more about that

Ralf Huuck · Answer

Thanks a lot < Tim Fischer> Vast subject and each stakeholder likes to see something different that s why we think what is the right mental concept that more than one stakeholder can align to

Ralf Huuck · Answer

For that the concept of Flow seems quite good How quick do we get somewhere Velocity Lead time how much capacity do we have Throughput what are the impediments Risks to get there

Ralf Huuck · Answer

Typically you can optimise for one or two of the above but it is really a triangle

Ralf Huuck · Answer

The other view is what do you measure Can you map this to $$$ execs Can you map this to deployments speed ops Can you map this to happiness devs As example

Ralf Huuck · Answer

Some velocities

Ralf Huuck · Answer

first commit to merge in branch based dev Jira ticket opened to delivered features vs bugs vs build deployment start to finish etc

Ralf Huuck · Answer

Ideally first idea to out of the door but tying this all together is not easy

Ralf Huuck · Answer

< Tim Fischer> I can share the slides later with you and follow up if you don t get them by default

Tim Fischer · Answer

Thank you for such an informative response Yes slides would be much appreciated clap

Tim Fischer · Answer

As far as I understand optimising just one of the components you mentioned wouldn t bring much of a utility

Tim Fischer · Answer

Right

Ralf Huuck · Answer

I think it still would Just see where the value is and where things are stuck

Ralf Huuck · Answer

If you have a 100 engineers and they get the code in quicker and reviews are not delayed etc that is a huge payoff

Ralf Huuck · Answer

I think end to end is idealistic but no realistic

Ralf Huuck · Answer

The other aspect is visibility to make decisions Most of the time management has some gut feel but no good data because it is stuck 1 or 2 levels down

Tim Fischer · Answer

Exactly The latter is the problem we face at my current company The management puts the gut feeling first without any measurements beforehand

Ralf Huuck · Answer

Yes and engineers don t like to be measured slightly smiling face So it s important to measure process and value and not people

Ralf Huuck · Answer

To be honest engineers are not the high value target for dashboards in itself but they should be happy for someone to see it and see this as a means to communicated up